Nadya Suleman And Her Children, Part Two: The Final Conflict

At long last... the final entry in my exhaustive (and exhausting) look at The Astrology of Octomom Nadya Suleman and her children. I've look at the charts of a lot of newborns for their mothers before, but I find I'm thankful that this particular clown car of kids didn't arrive at my door for a reading.

Individually, the octuplet's charts have some interesting features. Given the time of birth, the first has 29 degrees Aries rising, and the last has 0 degrees Taurus rising. As you can imagine, the charts are otherwise pretty much identical.

(There are certain Vedic techniques that can tease out more individual differences between the kids, but let's be honest: if you don't even have your first tooth yet, it isn't time to start worrying about subtleties like that.)

Sun/Moon/Jupiter/Neptune/Chiron/North Node in Aquarius, all disposited by a 12th House Uranus in Pisces, certainly seems to reflect the unusual nature of their entry into the world. And (all else being equal) Mars culminating would likely indicate reasonable health in the long run... which is a good thing when you grow up with seven womb-mates. Hopefully it's enough to balance out the health quirks that could come with having Saturn retrograde in the 6th, tightly opposed by Uranus. Hopefully. Then again, I strongly suspect that those practitioners specializing in Medical Astrology would accuse me of being too optimistic... and they might be right.

Another astrologer elsewhere has commented on the Aquarius stellium and noted that Aquarians like to work together in groups. But -- based on the assumption that these kids won't be able to raise themselves (imagine a tribe of baby Tarzans without apes around to help them) -- we should look at how Mom's birth chart interacts with theirs. And when we do, we see --

(A word of warning: Observer Bias is a hazard in any field of endeavor. If a client comes to you for a reading wondering if he/she is ever going to get married, and your first thought is "My God, you smell bad," then you are much more likely to overlook all the potential positives and dig up obscure aspects and asteroids with silly names and unproven techniques to back your contention -- conscious or otherwise -- that the client smells too bad for anyone to get close to, let alone marry. I am doing my best to factor out the pure craziness (in my opinion) of this whole situation.)

-- the interactions between Nadya and the octuplet's charts are troubling. or perhaps more accurately... the lack of interaction is troubling.

The octuplet's Suns are trined by Mom's Pluto... technically a positive aspect, but still not necessarily a comfortable aspect for a developing child. Nadya's Mars squares their Sun within half a degree. There are no aspects from Mom's chart to their Moons... except for a sextile from her Neptune and a weak trine from Pluto.

The Outer Planets are certainly powerful, but when you see a parent-child interaction based largely on Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto... it's time to worry a little.

Although there are other positives in the interaction... Mom's Sun-Saturn conjunction trines their Venus-Uranus conjunctions... overall, I'm just not seeing the same kind of "cosmic glue" between the charts I'd normally see, or like to see, in a mother-child comparison.

It's almost as if Nadya Suleman is the package the children arrived in... and not really their "mother" at all. Perhaps, in future, that will be exactly the case.

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Jupiter In The Second House, Saturn In The Fifth: A Case Study

According to the usual interpretation one finds in the textbooks, Jupiter in the Second House means you'll never have to worry about money. These people, we are told, are born with it or have it fall into their laps on a regular basis. Surely, any chart you see with this feature is bound to belong to an heiress, or an Internet tycoon, or something like that.

You would not expect this to be the chart of someone who, say, ended up having to porn just to pay the bills.

Likewise, the conventional astrological wisdom about someone with Saturn in the Fifth House indicates they just won't ever have kids. Case closed. That's a sad thing for many people, but not having kids certainly be a way to save money... which might explain all the extra riches kicking around from that Jupiter in the Second House.

Now: let me introduce you to Nadya Suleman, a.k.a. "Octomom," who has a birth chart that features Jupiter in the Second House and Saturn in the Fifth... and who is being investigated for welfare fraud (and has 14 kids, by the way.)

"I'd be lying if I didn't say generating revenue wasn't a major reason why I did it, but I found the experience was empowering and liberating,"

--Nadya Suleman, June 2012, discussing her motives for doing a porn flick.

"I hate babies, they disgust me... Obviously, I love them — but I absolutely wish I had not had them."

-Nadya Suleman, In Touch Magazine,  July 2011
So does the astrology in this matter completely fail to describe Nadia's situation? Of course not. In fact, the details of her birth chart tell the story pretty clearly. As we can see from the quote above, Nadya does in fact find her 14 children burdensome... which is one possible manifestation of that Saturn, and she did need infertility treatments to have them in the first place. But it's not like she was doomed to not have children.

Also: despite her financial troubles, it's not like it's an everyday occurrence for all of us to have foreign companies tossing big-money offers at us just because of who we are.

As they say, the devil is in the details. As far as the Jupiter and Saturn in your birth chart? The devil.. and some angels... are there to be found too. Let's find them together!

Octomom will be one of the many subjects we will be delving into in my upcoming online course, "Jupiter and Saturn: Gifts From Santa And The Grim Reaper," which I will be presenting with Aliza from Moonplutoastrology.com. Starting on Monday, August 19, we will be teaching a two-week intensive online Facebook course for both beginners and intermediate students, which will delve deeply into the subject of the Solar System's two largest planets.

It's going to be a lot more than just celebrity gossip though. Specifically, we will be looking into YOUR Jupiter and Saturn placements,  how they affect you, and how the Jupiter and Saturn transit cycles predict what promise and peril you will face in your future... and how to prepare for what is to come, and how to understand who you really are.

So if you've ever looked in a book and felt despair at the description of your Jupiter or your Saturn placement, fear not. Astrology, like life itself, is a little more complex than that... yet ultimately it can be relatively easy to grasp the full wonder and mystery of it all.

...Now if only we had had this course available earlier, we could've spared Octomom an awful lot of public embarrassment, and an awful lot of diaper changes...

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Nadya "Octomom" Suleman: The Birth Chart

At last, we have an official time of birth for Nadya Suleman... thank you, Femscorpia, wherever you are...

I've already had a look at how Nadya's chart interacts (or, more interestingly, doesn't interact) with the charts of her fourteen children in my previous entries on the matter. Now that we have a time of birth for Nadya, we can have a proper look at her birth chart. And again, my warning: everybody on Earth has heard her story by now, and has had a chance to pre-judge her and her situation. I'm going to do my level best to avoid that... but you've been warned.

First of all, her physical appearance: there have been a lot of rumors that Nadya has had plastic surgery. Although she denies it, a review of older pictures tends to support that notion. It should be noted though that she does have Aquarius rising, ruled by Uranus in the 8th House. This can make for... I don't want to say an "odd" appearance, but that's sometimes how it plays out. And her looks do have a certain... oddness... going for them, which could at least lead to accusations of plastic surgery. She has big dewy eyes, which is no less than what I would expect from someone who has a Moon/Venus conjunction aspecting the ascendant.

Nadya has Jupiter in Aries in the 2nd House... good luck with money. Aries is ruled by Mars, which is also in the 2nd House. That Mars is in Taurus, which is noted for its fondness for money and material possessions. It is, in turn, is ruled by Venus in the 7th House, conjunct the moon.

(Suddenly, her ability to talk someone she cares about out of the money for plastic surgery and unnecessary in vitro treatment makes perfect sense.)

This may explain the ease with which she dismissed the services of Angels In Waiting, the free nursing service who volunteered to help out with the octuplets. She accused them of "spying" on her... classic Cancer paranoia. Based on her birth data, I'd say Nadya has had no problem talking others out of their money in past, so probably isn't all that concerned about her ability to find different free help elsewhere. It's just a shame Dr. Phil ended up spending as much screen time as he did pitching his audience for donations to the organization. Or, maybe it isn't: there are probably another eight babies out there who need the free help at least as much as Nadya's kids do. Most young children in need can't rely on income from Mom's Media Circus.

The Fifth House (children) in Nadya's chart is where things really start to get interesting, as you might imagine. First of all, that's where the Sun -- the Ego -- resides in her chart. And it is conjunct Saturn (burdens and responsibilities). Saturn is debilitated in Cancer, being opposite the sign it rules (Capricorn).

At this point, it would be just too easy for me to say "This person places their ego-value in having children, but has a difficult time dealing with the practical burdens that come with it"... but that would be so cliché. And yet, there it is right in the birth chart.

In addition, there is the Moon conjunct Venus is in the 7th House (marriage and partnerships). The Moon-Venus conjunction brings a certain feminine sweetness with it. Undoubtedly (at least on the face of it) she comes across as "marriage material." And that 7th House conjunction is being squared by Neptune (delusion) in the 10th House (life goals), which is conjunct the Midheaven. And with transiting Neptune taking its time opposing that conjunction and the 7th House cusp, we should probably not be surprised that she isn't married.

Having said that, she's probably getting a lot of male attention from all the news coverage... just as serial killers always seem to get groupies once they are in prison. With all that Neptune happening, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she did get married to someone in the next year or two... and that relationship is likely to fall apart not too long after that. Neptune transits like that are a great time to get foolishly married.

As with any birth chart, there's a lot of information here. But, even with my efforts to the contrary, there is a lot here to back the notion that Nadya Suleman is an attention seeker who uses her children to get it... and uses other people's money to get and keep those kids.

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Nadya Suleman And Her Children, Part One: The Superfluous Six

This is the first of two blog entries about Nadya "Octomom" Suleman and her fourteen children. For those of you who don't have the time or patience for detailed astrological analysis, I present a brief astrological joke:

An Aries walks into a bar. You got a problem with that, pal?

Now, the analysis. For those of you who want to play along at home, complete birth data for Nadya and the kids is here.

If you want to see what a person's relationship with their parents is like in a birth chart, there are three places to start: the 4th House and 10th House (and the planets ruling them) and aspects from the mother's chart to the child's Moon. It might be a mistake in any individual case to read too much into any one placement or aspect, but Nadya Suleman gave us enough babies that we could start noticing some patterns... even before the octuplets. Since we don't have a time of birth for Nadya, I'm going to toss out any aspects to or from her natal Moon, which is somewhere in Leo (a noon birth would put the moon at 24 degrees).

Elijah:

4th/10 rulers: Mercury and Pluto

Elijah's chart has a debilitated Venus in Aries as the ruler of the Third House... speech and communications. That, plus a retrograde Neptune in the 12th near the Ascendant, and Mercury conjunct a debilitated Jupiter in Gemini (both closely opposed by Pluto) makes him the most likely candidate to be the "mildly autistic" child with a speech problem.

Mercury opposes Pluto, conjunct Jupiter, no other major aspects. Pluto is trined by Venus in Aries (debilitated). Surprisingly, no planets in Nadya's chart make any significant aspects at all to either Elijah's 4th or 10th rulers.

Nadya's Mars sextiles his moon, her Venus opposes it, and her Neptune squares it. Also noteworthy: Elijah has a prominent Moon-Saturn square.

Amerah:

4th/10 rulers: Moon and Saturn

Moon is trine the Sun and sextile the Midheaven, but is squared by Mercury and Pluto, which oppose each other and are conjunct the Nodal Axis. Saturn is conjunct Mercury, and thus is square Saturn, opposed by Pluto. So: some difficult 4/10 issues there.

As with Elijah, Mom's Venus weakly opposes Amerah's Moon, Mars gives a weak sextile, and Neptune squares it.

Joshua:

4th/10th rulers: Venus and Mars

Joshua has an interesting Venus: at 27 degrees Leo, it is conjunct both the natal Sun and Jupiter within a degree, which is pretty powerful. Also noteworthy: that pile-up is in the first house, and is not aspected by anything else in the birth chart. Combine this with Uranus and Mars at 1 and 7 degrees Pisces (conjunct the older siblings Moons, so undoubtedly they get on each others nerves a lot) in the 8th House, and it paints a very interesting picture of the parent-child relationship. Powerful? Yes. Stable? Nope.

The natal Moon at 1 degree Gemini only gets two aspects from Mom's chart: a conjunction with the South, a square from Venus, and a weak opposition from Mom's Neptune.

Aidan:

4th/10th rulers: Venus and Pluto

Aidan has a strong Venus at 22 Pisces, conjunct the Sun (which is iffy) and trine Saturn (which is solid, but Saturn is debilitated in Cancer). Unfortunately for Aidan, that fairly strong Venus is closely squared... by Pluto in the 12th House.

Natal Moon at 10 Gemini only receives two major aspects in the birth chart... a weak trine from Neptune in the 1st House, and a tighter square from Uranus at 7 degrees Pisces (note how that portion of Pisces keeps showing up in these charts). This can often result in digestive/dietary problems (a common issue with autistic children) and combined with a third house ruled by a void of course Mars in Capricorn, makes Aidan my educated guess to be the second autistic child of the lot.

How does Nadya's chart interact with Aidan's moon? One major aspect only... her Neptune opposes his moon.

Finally (whew!)... Calyssa and Caleb, born two minutes apart:

4th/10th rulers: Venus and Pluto.

At first glance, Venus and Pluto look strong in these charts. Venus is in Libra and Pluto is trine Saturn. But they do square each other... weakly, but it's there.

Also: I'm going to break one of my own rules about generalizing too much based on a single placement. These children have a 12th House void of course Moon in Capricorn receiving no aspects other than a square from Mercury, and is ruled by a debilitated Saturn in Leo. If that isn't a strong astrological signature for depression, I don't know what is.

...And speaking of depression, there are only two major aspects from Mom's chart to the twin's Moon -- an opposition from Mom's Sun and Saturn in Cancer (Saturn within five degrees, the Sun weak at almost ten degrees), and a close square from Mom's natal Uranus. All of which is very... depressing.

Ouch.

In all fairness, it would be wrong to look at any single mother/child astrological comparison and declare it to be a "bad" relationship based on one or two difficult factors. Lots of people have good mothers who still get on their nerves, and lots have difficult maternal relations with no immediately obvious reason. But when you have six charts to look at (or fourteen in this case) and you see the same sorts of things over and over again... it's hard not to leap to some less-than-flattering conclusions about the mother.

Coming soon: we'll have a look to see if throwing an additional eight babies into the mix helps things or not.

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Sorry for the delay with Part Two of my Octomom series... I thought I was on a roll analyzing her birth chart, only to realize that every single new observation I made was based on house placements... which are almost certainly wrong in the chart I was looking at, which was for a noon birth. As of yet no official time of birth seems to be a matter of public record. The funny thing is... I didn't really stop to think about it until signs of her being a responsible parent began to show up.

As reported by TMZ.com, the domestic fitness of the Suleman residence has been questioned before, with no less than six child-related visits by the police in the last year... not counting two visits recently to shoo away the horde of reporters perpetually hovering around the house of late.

...and the octuplets haven't even moved in yet.

When I looked at the birth charts of Nadya's first six kids, I tried to steer the attention away from Mom and towards the individual kids. It turns out that may have been the right approach to take. Although I initially avoided too much discussion of Nadya's own birth chart because there wasn't a time of birth available, and the Wikipedia article on her still insists that her date of birth is, citing her divorce papers as a source... although I've squinted myself half to death staring at them and still don't see a date of birth for Nadya (Natalie?) Suleman-Doud-Gutierrez in there.

So although I believe the July 11 birth date is the correct one, I'll be cautious. And I'll keep fishing around for a time of birth for her.

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